quoting, and if i have space, this will go in my sig. ur shame will last till the end of time.

It's already easy enough to take down a freighter through the use of multi-client software

and there is nothing exact about a significance test either. in fact what should be used as a significance level is entirely open to OPINION, and even when a significance level suggests one thing or the other it is only a suggestion. it is entirely open to interpretation.

Haven't seen death threats yet. Other games get them for far, FAR, minor nerfs, why not CCP?

This is not a risk. Who cares about the drop when you gank? You are ISK-efficient regardless on the killboards. The drop is only icing on top of the already delicious cake.

Instead, make jumps cost fuel relative to the distance jumped (possibly going up exponentially with distance?),

and don't allow cynos to be lit within 1AU of any celestials. Suddenly JFs aren't invulnerable, and we get a nice power projection nerf at the same time. Win-win.

Low seccers combined with people who have decent ideas and realistic views.

No I mean "freighters are fine in and of themselves, the problem is that they make use of Jump bridges which should be nerfed just as jump capable ships (and thus Jfreighters) should be nerfed". We need more separation because that helps local null sec industry and lowers the focus on high sec industry (this will of course also require a substantial buff to null in this regard).

Anything with jump or bridging capability (BO excluded) needs to be toned down dramatically. Freighters, being given rig slots and thus having to be rebalanced because of it, is an entirely different issue and discussion.

To help address the lack of interesting options for Jump Freighters, we are planning to introduce a set of jump fuel conservation modules in the Crius release in July. These modules will not be available in Kronos.

Fozzie can you still look into lower the amount of Capital Cargo Bays needed to build a freighter because they're losing so much of their base cargo.

Will these modules be made exclusive to jump freighters or will other caps be able to use them?

i hope not, damage controls are already a very powerful module, i don't think clicking once per session change in exchange for such a powerful module is much to ask.

nor do i want to see it nerfed because people are lazy.

My main issue now is that you can't shield tank freighter but you can armor tank...

This. Max-Cargo JF and Max-Tank Freighter is the way to go. I never understood why tank on a JF should be important at all.
if you are bumped off station or your cyno is killed while in jump, you JF would most likely die even with 2mln EHP.

The gankers are unhappy and the industrialists/freighter pilots are unhappy. Must mean that it's pretty well balanced.

Well, consider this:
The carebears are complaining about not getting > 1 Million EHP via (passive) DCII's because they want to be invincible.

Experienced gankers understand its a problem when 720K EHP JFs move 6-8 Billion in cargo in highsec with negligible risk.

HTFU?

Freighter and JFs currently have most of their EHP as hull, which has zero resistances. Additionally remote hull reppers are extremely inefficient.

I wonder if we were at the same event with the 'repped' JF. There was one, which survived two coordinated ganking waves and yet died to the third, but it didn't survive the first two rounds due to either RR or ECM during the actual attack.

What happened was the CFC was using fleets of catalysts, yet during this attack at the perimeter gate, there were around a few hundred 'defenders'. As soon as the CFC fleet turned flashy at the beginning of the attack, then the whole blob was *massively* counter-ganked by the defenders. Despite this the JF survived with something like just 3% hull remaining, after which people reshipped to logistics ships and began repping it back up.

It was only just barely repped up when the CFC timers of 15 minutes had expired and they had had time to reship, so it took around *20 minutes* or so for the combined 'defender' fleet to do so. So yeah, RR during the actual attack, which lasted mere seconds, did zilch.

The exact same thing happened a second time, as catalysts evaporated left and right before they had time to do their full complement of damage prior to CONCORD stepping in. The third time the CFC reshipped to a fleet of Tornadoes and alpha'ed the JF down. That is how and why it died.

RR and ECM did nothing. There were hardly any ECM ships on the defender's side. Just brutal, brutal amounts of fast locking DPS able to counter-gank.

So yes, you can currently defend a JF against ~120 catalysts if you bring a huge number of defenders. Happy logistics, everyone.

Hehe, the fairy tale of the easy to defend freighter gank again. Once a freighter gets bumped it's as good as dead. Even with defenders present you basically have no chance to defend it as the gankers can just keep bumping it and throw wave after wave at it.

Repping up the hull takes far too long to be effective. I've seen enough single freighter ganks going on for far more than an hour, the victim being constantly bumped (and aggressed with noobships of course) without the slightest chance to escape. In the end they *always* died. None of them were during Burn Jita btw.

In light of people now ganking even empty jump freighters for the luls

So you asked for examples and got example which you then disregard? GG, no RE.

As of right now the Jump Fuel Conservation units appear to only be for Jump Freighters